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		<title>By: The TechCrunch vs Wired spat &#124; Richard Hartley</title>
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		<dc:creator>The TechCrunch vs Wired spat &#124; Richard Hartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 18:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Arrington is usually nothing if not astute. But I can&#039;t express this better than Kara Swisher on AllThingsD:&quot;I do admire TechCrunch&#039;s energy and relentless focus and the way it has forced others to compete [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Arrington is usually nothing if not astute. But I can&#039;t express this better than Kara Swisher on AllThingsD:&quot;I do admire TechCrunch&#039;s energy and relentless focus and the way it has forced others to compete [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kara Swisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kara Swisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 18:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave:

Unlike Keith, you are entirely clueless as to exactly how important ethics are to news organizations like the Post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave:</p>
<p>Unlike Keith, you are entirely clueless as to exactly how important ethics are to news organizations like the Post.</p>
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		<title>By: dave mcclure</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave mcclure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 07:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>truth be told Kara, if you know mike well then you&#039;d agree with Keith: only tweeting &#039;F*#k Off&#039; and &#039;let&#039;s have a Wired mag burning party&#039; instead of posting on TC or  Crunchnotes *IS* actually reserved behavior for Mike ;)

personally, i think the ethics issue is ridiculously overstated.  there&#039;s a difference between WaPo and the New York Post of course, but to think that any large media outlet isn&#039;t substantially influenced by advertisers -- or other people of money or power -- is incredibly naive, and smacks of elitism, not ethics.  mike isn&#039;t shy of stating what he invests in, and in Silicon Valley pretty much everyone and their grandmother are angels in 3 or 4 startups (i&#039;m in ~15).

furthermore, to suggest that newspapers and/or media properties that don&#039;t have direct investments / ownership interests are somehow devoid of any such conflicts is complete BS.  they have conflicts from debt &amp; revenue, if not equity.  they certainly have conflicts due to sex, power, guns, drugs, politics &amp; other currencies of influence.  however for the most part you don&#039;t hear about those.

finally, the manner in which betsy called him out was itself childish &amp; conflicted.  not to mention taking it to the level of calling out WaPo to eff around with the TC deal is COMPLETELY AND OBVIOUSLY conflicted.  she is far beyond hypocritical there.

mike may be capricious, vindictive, sexist, arrogant, and combative... but he&#039;s also hard-working, very intelligent, funny, entertaining, and as far as i&#039;m aware generally not a crook.

my .02,

- dave &quot;no conflict, no interest&quot; mcclure</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>truth be told Kara, if you know mike well then you&#8217;d agree with Keith: only tweeting &#8216;F*#k Off&#8217; and &#8216;let&#8217;s have a Wired mag burning party&#8217; instead of posting on TC or  Crunchnotes *IS* actually reserved behavior for Mike ;)</p>
<p>personally, i think the ethics issue is ridiculously overstated.  there&#8217;s a difference between WaPo and the New York Post of course, but to think that any large media outlet isn&#8217;t substantially influenced by advertisers &#8212; or other people of money or power &#8212; is incredibly naive, and smacks of elitism, not ethics.  mike isn&#8217;t shy of stating what he invests in, and in Silicon Valley pretty much everyone and their grandmother are angels in 3 or 4 startups (i&#8217;m in ~15).</p>
<p>furthermore, to suggest that newspapers and/or media properties that don&#8217;t have direct investments / ownership interests are somehow devoid of any such conflicts is complete BS.  they have conflicts from debt &amp; revenue, if not equity.  they certainly have conflicts due to sex, power, guns, drugs, politics &amp; other currencies of influence.  however for the most part you don&#8217;t hear about those.</p>
<p>finally, the manner in which betsy called him out was itself childish &amp; conflicted.  not to mention taking it to the level of calling out WaPo to eff around with the TC deal is COMPLETELY AND OBVIOUSLY conflicted.  she is far beyond hypocritical there.</p>
<p>mike may be capricious, vindictive, sexist, arrogant, and combative&#8230; but he&#8217;s also hard-working, very intelligent, funny, entertaining, and as far as i&#8217;m aware generally not a crook.</p>
<p>my .02,</p>
<p>- dave &#8220;no conflict, no interest&#8221; mcclure</p>
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		<title>By: Mac Beach</title>
		<link>http://kara.allthingsd.com/20080514/memo-to-don-graham-thar-he-blows/#comment-3213</link>
		<dc:creator>Mac Beach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 01:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if I were a net journalist and had to be affiliated with Old Media, I&#039;d sure rather be affiliated with WSJ than WaPo.  So, stay above the fray.  I&#039;ve tried to get into TechCrunch before I had ever heard of Arington and just couldn&#039;t keep my interest up.  Not sure why.   But reading of Aringtons showboating has kept me from venturing back.  Maybe WaPo will figure that out too, and if not, well, how the mighty have fallen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if I were a net journalist and had to be affiliated with Old Media, I&#8217;d sure rather be affiliated with WSJ than WaPo.  So, stay above the fray.  I&#8217;ve tried to get into TechCrunch before I had ever heard of Arington and just couldn&#8217;t keep my interest up.  Not sure why.   But reading of Aringtons showboating has kept me from venturing back.  Maybe WaPo will figure that out too, and if not, well, how the mighty have fallen.</p>
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		<title>By: Kara Swisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kara Swisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 23:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith:

I appreciate your email and you are a very good friend to post here.

But, my main point, more than anything, was conduct and I am perplexed that Michael felt he has to make three boorish comments in a row that just were not what I would expect of someone who just struck a deal with the Post. 

I would have to disagree strongly that he was in any way reserved.

I do know many people at the Post are appalled by those remarks.

Bad actors or not, it is bogus to blame jealousy and use it as an excuse for bad behavior in fighting off criticism. If he had managed to control himself and taken the high road, he would have prevailed.

He might think he has the right to say anything he wants, and I guess he does, but that&#039;s a pretty lame use for freedom of speech.

True story: A kid at my six-year-old son&#039;s school said something not nice to him recently that had a grain of truth in it, but was needlessly cruel. 

It hurt my son a lot, I can assure you, but he managed not to strike back by saying something just as bad to the other kid, which would have been easy and satisfying even. 

If my six-year-old has the presence of mind to control himself on a playground, I think Michael Arrington surely can do it in a public forum.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith:</p>
<p>I appreciate your email and you are a very good friend to post here.</p>
<p>But, my main point, more than anything, was conduct and I am perplexed that Michael felt he has to make three boorish comments in a row that just were not what I would expect of someone who just struck a deal with the Post. </p>
<p>I would have to disagree strongly that he was in any way reserved.</p>
<p>I do know many people at the Post are appalled by those remarks.</p>
<p>Bad actors or not, it is bogus to blame jealousy and use it as an excuse for bad behavior in fighting off criticism. If he had managed to control himself and taken the high road, he would have prevailed.</p>
<p>He might think he has the right to say anything he wants, and I guess he does, but that&#8217;s a pretty lame use for freedom of speech.</p>
<p>True story: A kid at my six-year-old son&#8217;s school said something not nice to him recently that had a grain of truth in it, but was needlessly cruel. </p>
<p>It hurt my son a lot, I can assure you, but he managed not to strike back by saying something just as bad to the other kid, which would have been easy and satisfying even. </p>
<p>If my six-year-old has the presence of mind to control himself on a playground, I think Michael Arrington surely can do it in a public forum.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 21:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Kara, totally agree with it.

It would have been nice to have seen Arrington taken the higher ground here. There is no need to lash out at people publicly all the time when you get upset. This seems to be a blog trait, and one that will ultimately ruin credibility for everyone. 
People get tired of whiners, and vengeful soap operas. He seems to have diarrhea of the mouth and needs to shut up.

He needs to ignore people and work on growing his company. When incidents like this happen, he is taking two steps back for every step of progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Kara, totally agree with it.</p>
<p>It would have been nice to have seen Arrington taken the higher ground here. There is no need to lash out at people publicly all the time when you get upset. This seems to be a blog trait, and one that will ultimately ruin credibility for everyone.<br />
People get tired of whiners, and vengeful soap operas. He seems to have diarrhea of the mouth and needs to shut up.</p>
<p>He needs to ignore people and work on growing his company. When incidents like this happen, he is taking two steps back for every step of progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Murtagh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Murtagh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 20:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that it matters because you have already written your piece, but I think Arrington&#039;s and Schiffman&#039;s posts and comments on the issue and the issue itself is not news-worthy especially because of the lack of professionalism on both their parts.  I am surprised I got all the way through your post.
This is more like gossip than news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that it matters because you have already written your piece, but I think Arrington&#8217;s and Schiffman&#8217;s posts and comments on the issue and the issue itself is not news-worthy especially because of the lack of professionalism on both their parts.  I am surprised I got all the way through your post.<br />
This is more like gossip than news.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Teare</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Teare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 19:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta say Kara, you are calling this wrong. I think there is an incredible amount of professional jealousy surrounding Mike. He&#039;s good at what he does, his passion is a plus - even when it gets intense. And his Post deal clearly blew away (emotionally) the Wired crew. They are the bad actors here. He&#039;s in reaction mode and actually being quite reserved.

And I really think his reaction doesn&#039;t affect the Post or its reputation at all.

Disclosure, Mikes a friend and I&#039;m biased naturally. But not my only friend. As I read the sources and the comments I just think you&#039;re on the wrong side of this one.

Keith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta say Kara, you are calling this wrong. I think there is an incredible amount of professional jealousy surrounding Mike. He&#8217;s good at what he does, his passion is a plus &#8211; even when it gets intense. And his Post deal clearly blew away (emotionally) the Wired crew. They are the bad actors here. He&#8217;s in reaction mode and actually being quite reserved.</p>
<p>And I really think his reaction doesn&#8217;t affect the Post or its reputation at all.</p>
<p>Disclosure, Mikes a friend and I&#8217;m biased naturally. But not my only friend. As I read the sources and the comments I just think you&#8217;re on the wrong side of this one.</p>
<p>Keith</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Welch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 19:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a journalist myself, not being able to act the way I wanted in public at times is the price of admission to do the news. I&#039;ve been happy to pay it. Credibility is everything.

Arrington appears clue-impaired when it comes to an obvious conflict of interest, Gizmodo carries on with their boorish antics at CES, Fake Steve Jobs compromises his employer&#039;s integrity. The list seems to go on and on. 

Glad I took another route out of the news industry, and still get to do what I love without acting like a spoiled child, or lacking a basic understanding of the foundations of credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a journalist myself, not being able to act the way I wanted in public at times is the price of admission to do the news. I&#8217;ve been happy to pay it. Credibility is everything.</p>
<p>Arrington appears clue-impaired when it comes to an obvious conflict of interest, Gizmodo carries on with their boorish antics at CES, Fake Steve Jobs compromises his employer&#8217;s integrity. The list seems to go on and on. </p>
<p>Glad I took another route out of the news industry, and still get to do what I love without acting like a spoiled child, or lacking a basic understanding of the foundations of credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan McCarthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan McCarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 18:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cyndy, I believe PaidContent has a syndication deal with the Washington Post as well. See here: http://www.centernetworks.com/paidcontent-washingtonpost</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyndy, I believe PaidContent has a syndication deal with the Washington Post as well. See here: <a href="http://www.centernetworks.com/paidcontent-washingtonpost" rel="nofollow">http://www.centernetworks.com/.....ingtonpost</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cyndy Aleo-Carreira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cyndy Aleo-Carreira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 15:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, better the WaPo see this now than six months in, right?

Throwing in their lot with a single tech blog instead of following a model more similar to Blogburst was asking for something like this. The blog world gets into pissing matches all the time, and either they knew that and decided that any press is good press or they thought it would stop once TC was associated with the WaPo is anyone&#039;s guess. In the end, however, everyone who lays down with dogs comes up with fleas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, better the WaPo see this now than six months in, right?</p>
<p>Throwing in their lot with a single tech blog instead of following a model more similar to Blogburst was asking for something like this. The blog world gets into pissing matches all the time, and either they knew that and decided that any press is good press or they thought it would stop once TC was associated with the WaPo is anyone&#8217;s guess. In the end, however, everyone who lays down with dogs comes up with fleas.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 15:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Filed under &quot;blogger trolling blogger troll who trolls bloggers.&quot; :P

Actually, a nice read. I love how you reveal your sensitive side, while stabbing away at the Bull in the Silicon Shop. 

Speaking of which, who else wants to see Arrington and Ballmer enter the Thunderdome?

You had me at the volcano diagram, nice. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Filed under &#8220;blogger trolling blogger troll who trolls bloggers.&#8221; :P</p>
<p>Actually, a nice read. I love how you reveal your sensitive side, while stabbing away at the Bull in the Silicon Shop. </p>
<p>Speaking of which, who else wants to see Arrington and Ballmer enter the Thunderdome?</p>
<p>You had me at the volcano diagram, nice. :D</p>
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