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	<title>Comments on: Social Networking's Advertising Dilemma: Which Came First, the Ad or the Consumer?</title>
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		<title>By: Pg Social Networking Software &#124; Top Social Media Optimization</title>
		<link>http://kara.allthingsd.com/20081215/social-networkings-advertising-dilemma-which-came-first-the-ad-or-the-consumer/#comment-38586</link>
		<dc:creator>Pg Social Networking Software &#124; Top Social Media Optimization</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: James Kohn</title>
		<link>http://kara.allthingsd.com/20081215/social-networkings-advertising-dilemma-which-came-first-the-ad-or-the-consumer/#comment-6910</link>
		<dc:creator>James Kohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more things change, the more they stay the same. Word of mouth is the most powerful form of advertising. Negative word of mouth is upwards of 10 time more powerful than positive word of mouth. Customer service is still the greatest tool in managing powerful word of mouth, but now we have social networks with which to spread the word even faster. So, knowing this, how might we use social networks to promote products and generate revenue? www.theCustomerServiceSolution.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more things change, the more they stay the same. Word of mouth is the most powerful form of advertising. Negative word of mouth is upwards of 10 time more powerful than positive word of mouth. Customer service is still the greatest tool in managing powerful word of mouth, but now we have social networks with which to spread the word even faster. So, knowing this, how might we use social networks to promote products and generate revenue? <a href="http://www.theCustomerServiceSolution.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.theCustomerServiceSolution.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hussein Fazal</title>
		<link>http://kara.allthingsd.com/20081215/social-networkings-advertising-dilemma-which-came-first-the-ad-or-the-consumer/#comment-6906</link>
		<dc:creator>Hussein Fazal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to chime in on this debate as the CEO of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adparlor.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AdParlor&lt;/a&gt;.

From our experience, we have seen brands that have gotten fantastic ROI from their social networking campaigns. A large reason being that we helped them with a comprehensive approach. 

It is not just about banner ads. 
We need users to be engaged. 

One solution is to have a branded application developed, or to brand an existing large application. Creating a fan page can help but should be cross-promoted with the app. Also a banner campaign to an external web site may not be effective - but a banner campaign pushing out a fan page, or even better, a custom application, really does work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to chime in on this debate as the CEO of <a href="http://www.adparlor.com" rel="nofollow">AdParlor</a>.</p>
<p>From our experience, we have seen brands that have gotten fantastic ROI from their social networking campaigns. A large reason being that we helped them with a comprehensive approach. </p>
<p>It is not just about banner ads.<br />
We need users to be engaged. </p>
<p>One solution is to have a branded application developed, or to brand an existing large application. Creating a fan page can help but should be cross-promoted with the app. Also a banner campaign to an external web site may not be effective &#8211; but a banner campaign pushing out a fan page, or even better, a custom application, really does work!</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Harrison</title>
		<link>http://kara.allthingsd.com/20081215/social-networkings-advertising-dilemma-which-came-first-the-ad-or-the-consumer/#comment-6904</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>social networks are geared around &quot;conversations&quot; between contacts. This implicitly makes them terrible for advertising.

It&#039;s like being at a party with friends when someone chimes in &quot;hey, check out Tide&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>social networks are geared around &#8220;conversations&#8221; between contacts. This implicitly makes them terrible for advertising.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like being at a party with friends when someone chimes in &#8220;hey, check out Tide&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mac Beach</title>
		<link>http://kara.allthingsd.com/20081215/social-networkings-advertising-dilemma-which-came-first-the-ad-or-the-consumer/#comment-6902</link>
		<dc:creator>Mac Beach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Online vs print, explicit ads vs stealth marketing, &quot;search&quot; vs everything else.

I think we are obsessed with picking a winner that vanquishes all the losers.

Experience teaches us that rarely does a new thing kill all the old things, at least not for fifty years or so.

I hate the concept of stealth marketing, but I&#039;m quite sure there are people being paid to tell me they&#039;ve tried this product or that and how wonderful it is (lesson: pick your &quot;friends&quot; carefully).

I often think we shouldn&#039;t need advertising at all, if we can just search for &quot;pizza&quot; whenever we want one.  But then I think of all the times when an ad (in various forms) alerted me to a product I didn&#039;t know existed, and of course, MUST HAVE!

I think now more than ever there is a need for ad agencies... experts who can advise everyone from a local coffee shop to Starbucks how to get their message out there, and the answer is now and will be for a long time: &quot;every which way&quot; with the expert being responsible for tuning the mix and, hopefully, demonstrating to the client that they have produced results.

I remain skeptical about Facebook simply because they don&#039;t even do what they do all that well.  Although they jumped out ahead of the other &quot;socials&quot; in a few respects, they don&#039;t stand out now at all and in some ways have fallen behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Online vs print, explicit ads vs stealth marketing, &#8220;search&#8221; vs everything else.</p>
<p>I think we are obsessed with picking a winner that vanquishes all the losers.</p>
<p>Experience teaches us that rarely does a new thing kill all the old things, at least not for fifty years or so.</p>
<p>I hate the concept of stealth marketing, but I&#8217;m quite sure there are people being paid to tell me they&#8217;ve tried this product or that and how wonderful it is (lesson: pick your &#8220;friends&#8221; carefully).</p>
<p>I often think we shouldn&#8217;t need advertising at all, if we can just search for &#8220;pizza&#8221; whenever we want one.  But then I think of all the times when an ad (in various forms) alerted me to a product I didn&#8217;t know existed, and of course, MUST HAVE!</p>
<p>I think now more than ever there is a need for ad agencies&#8230; experts who can advise everyone from a local coffee shop to Starbucks how to get their message out there, and the answer is now and will be for a long time: &#8220;every which way&#8221; with the expert being responsible for tuning the mix and, hopefully, demonstrating to the client that they have produced results.</p>
<p>I remain skeptical about Facebook simply because they don&#8217;t even do what they do all that well.  Although they jumped out ahead of the other &#8220;socials&#8221; in a few respects, they don&#8217;t stand out now at all and in some ways have fallen behind.</p>
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		<title>By: Sun Tzu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sun Tzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evaluating the social landscape in Palo Alto and on the Web, one thing seems to be clear...&quot;What now?:  Growth is slowing, &quot;what do we do, now?&quot; :) Glad you asked...:) 

(:...Well the most used application on the web is email.  What&#039;s teh #2 visited website across the entire www?  Yahoo! Mail.  Why not create a free email service, and call it Facebook! Mail? :) Grab eyeballs, because that&#039;s what it&#039;s about in advertising, impressions, eyeballs, audience.  The more users you have the more companies want to advertise.  Zuckerberg, model Facebook! Mail on Yahoo! and do everything Yahoo! Mail does but better.  Next, build a search engine, do everything Google does, but better.  Let me know when you&#039;re done, and then we&#039;ll leverage that social network of yours and make even bigger bucks.  ~Sun Tzu~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evaluating the social landscape in Palo Alto and on the Web, one thing seems to be clear&#8230;&#8221;What now?:  Growth is slowing, &#8220;what do we do, now?&#8221; :) Glad you asked&#8230;:) </p>
<p>(:&#8230;Well the most used application on the web is email.  What&#8217;s teh #2 visited website across the entire www?  Yahoo! Mail.  Why not create a free email service, and call it Facebook! Mail? :) Grab eyeballs, because that&#8217;s what it&#8217;s about in advertising, impressions, eyeballs, audience.  The more users you have the more companies want to advertise.  Zuckerberg, model Facebook! Mail on Yahoo! and do everything Yahoo! Mail does but better.  Next, build a search engine, do everything Google does, but better.  Let me know when you&#8217;re done, and then we&#8217;ll leverage that social network of yours and make even bigger bucks.  ~Sun Tzu~</p>
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