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		<title>Microsoft's Qi Lu Talks About Bing (and Confirms Facebook and Twitter Real-Time Data Deal) at Web 2.0</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kara Swisher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Microsoft digital head Qi Lu took to the stage at the Web 2.0 Summit conference this morning, where he confirmed a "strategic" deal with Facebook and Twitter to integrate real-time information into Microsoft's Bing search service.

BoomTown broke the news of those deals earlier today.

Top Microsoft exec Yusuf Mehdi did a demo of the new tweet-powered search for Twitter; the Facebook integration is to come later.]]></description>
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<p>Microsoft digital head Qi Lu took to the stage at the <a href="http://www.web2summit.com/web2009">Web 2.0 Summit</a> conference this morning, where he confirmed a &#8220;strategic&#8221; deal with both Facebook and Twitter to integrate real-time information into Microsoft&#8217;s Bing search service.</p>
<p>BoomTown <a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/20091021/exclusive-guess-who-else-is-coming-to-dinner-twitter-microsoft-bing-deal-confirmed-but-so-is-facebook-bing/">broke news of those twin deals</a> earlier today.</p>
<p>Bing&#8217;s <a href="http://www.bing.com/twitter">Twitter integration in beta form is now live here</a> (see an image of it below; click on it to make it larger).</p>
<p><a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2009/10/twitterbing2.jpg"><img src="http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2009/10/twitterbing2.jpg" alt="twitterbing2" title="twitterbing2" width="380" height="292" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-19802" /></a><br />
Facebook&#8217;s integration will come later, said Microsoft (MSFT). </p>
<p>Before announcing the deal, Lu&#8211;who is a quintessential techie&#8211;first went a bit deep into the weeds to talk about &#8220;how we think about search.&#8221;</p>
<p>Said Lu: &#8220;To start with, we think about search holistically&#8230;it&#8217;s about user intent. What it amounts to is that you are trying to build a mind reader.&#8221;</p>
<p>Top MSN exec Yusuf Mehdi then bounded onstage to talk about the deals with Twitter and Facebook and do a demo, which was what the audience gathered in San Francisco wanted to hear about and see.</p>
<p>&#8220;If today&#8217;s search is about getting to the UPS or the FedEx site, tomorrow is much more complicated,&#8221; said Mehdi, who described the deals as &#8220;strategic.&#8221;</p>
<p>Google (GOOG) is also in talks with both Twitter and Facebook about a similar arrangement, but Microsoft&#8217;s move was a clear one-upsmanship with its search rival.</p>
<p>And what Mehdi showed was impressive, with the ability to sort tweets in a number of ways.</p>
<p>Such information in search will obviously improve results.</p>
<p>Lu gave few specific monetary or operational details of the service&#8211;such as if Facebook and Twitter get a cut of its search advertising revenue or if Microsoft will archive the status updates&#8211;mostly focusing on Twitter, since it is first to roll out.</p>
<p>&#8220;This is just the beginning,&#8221; said Lu. &#8220;The Twitter corpus&#8230;is still evolving and emerging.&#8221;</p>
<p>Added Lu at the end: &#8220;Give us a try!&#8221;</p>
<p>Here is Microsoft&#8217;s press announcement on the deals with two of Silicon Valley&#8217;s innovation hotshots:</p>
<blockquote class="memo"><p>This morning at the Web 2.0 Summit in San Francisco, Qi Lu, President of Microsoft’s Online Services Division is announcing a new beta feature that enables people to easily search Twitter’s real-time information feed directly in Bing. This new feature helps people make better decisions and more fully understand Twitter conversations by collecting, analyzing and uniquely presenting real-time Twitter content.</p>
<p>More specifically, the new Twitter developments in Bing include:</p>
<p>A real-time index of the Tweets that match your search queries in results. This feature makes it easier to follow what’s going on by reducing the amount of duplicates, spam, and adult content. </p>
<p>Giving you the option to rank tweets either by most recent or by &#8220;best match,&#8221; where we consider a Tweeter’s popularity, interestingness of the tweet, and other indicators of quality and trustworthiness.</p>
<p>Providing the top links shared on Twitter around your specific search query by showcasing a few of the most relevant tweets. Additionally, Bing automatically expands those small URLs (like bit.ly) to enable you to understand what people are tweeting about. Instead of showing standard search result captions, we select 2 top tweets to give users a glimpse of the sentiment around the shared link. </p>
<p>You can try out the new Bing Twitter search beta here momentarily or learn more about it at the Bing blog. Please note that this is a U.S. only feature at this time.</p>
<p>Facebook Partnership</p>
<p>As part of his on-stage discussion at the summit, Dr. Lu is also announcing a global partnership with Facebook that will bring public Facebook status updates to Bing search results. The experience will be available at a later date.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Exclusive: Guess Who Else Is Coming to Dinner? Twitter-Microsoft Bing Deal Confirmed, but so Is Facebook-Bing.</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kara Swisher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a stunning one-two punch, Microsoft will announce separate nonexclusive deals today with both Facebook and Twitter to integrate their real-time feeds of status updates into the Bing search service. 

According to sources, Microsoft digital head Qi Lu will announce the deal onstage in a few hours at the Web 2.0 Summit.

BoomTown reported earlier today that the Microsoft data-mining deal with Twitter was poised to be announced.

The first-mover deal by Microsoft, needless to say, is a solid blow to Google, which has also been talking with both companies about a similar arrangement, because--for the first time--data will be available on Bing that are not available on the search giant.]]></description>
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<p>In a stunning one-two punch, Microsoft will announce separate nonexclusive deals today with both Facebook and Twitter to integrate their real-time feeds of status updates into the Bing search service. </p>
<p>According to sources, Microsoft (MSFT) digital head Qi Lu will announce the deal onstage in a few hours at the Web 2.0 Summit.</p>
<p>BoomTown <a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/20091021/update-is-microsoft-poised-to-integrate-twitter-into-bing/">reported earlier today that the Microsoft data-mining deal with Twitter was poised</a> to be announced.</p>
<p>But the addition of Facebook raises the stakes considerably because it has the largest pool of status updates, despite all the hype around Twitter. Facebook has previously stated that it has 40 million updates a day, on average, from its 300 million-plus audience.</p>
<p>Twitter has been talking to Google (GOOG) about a similar arrangement, and, according to sources, so has Facebook.</p>
<p>But the deal is a definite blow to the dominant search engine, since&#8211;for the first time&#8211;data will be available on Bing that are not available on Google.</p>
<p>Neither of the services is expected to be up and running for weeks, if not months. But there is the possibility of a demo today by Qi Lu of what it will look like.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s interesting about the deals, which have been in the works for several weeks, is that they will be very different.</p>
<p>Much of what is posted on Twitter is public by design, while Facebook users prefer the closed nature of the service to disperse a wide variety of personal information only to their friends, and they want to control it.</p>
<p>Thus, sources said, not all Facebook updates will be included in the real-time feed to be searched by Bing, but only those its users choose to make available to the wider public. Facebook will apparently provide users with a number of new tools to do so.</p>
<p>BoomTown <a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/20091008/twitter-talking-separately-to-microsoft-and-also-google-about-big-data-mining-deals/">first reported several weeks ago that Twitter was in advanced talks</a> with both the search rivals about such a real-time search arrangement.</p>
<p>When asked about the talks onstage at Web 2.0 yesterday, Twitter CEO Evan Williams turned coy, according to numerous reports, joking &#8220;Whose deals?”</p>
<p>But, in fact, the San Francisco-based microblogging service was very much engaged in dealmaking aimed at gaining more visibility for the billions of tweets from its 54 million monthly users. </p>
<p>And so was Facebook, and it is probably a little irksome to Twitter that the rival social networking site will steal some of the thunder over the deal, which is sure to break out in the blogosphere today.</p>
<p><a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2009/10/bing-logo-white.jpg"><img src="http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2009/10/bing-logo-white-249x193.jpg" alt="bing-logo-white" title="bing-logo-white" width="249" height="193" class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-19766" /></a></p>
<p>The two services represent the hugest trove of real-time and content-sharing information, generated from their massive data streams.</p>
<p>The deals with Microsoft might include a payment of several million dollars to both Facebook and Twitter, along with various revenue-sharing proposals that would give them a piece of the advertising revenue made from search results.</p>
<p>Doing these kinds of data deals with big search players does make a lot of sense, since it would be hard for both companies to turbocharge their own search engines without running into the big cash-laden guns at both Google and Microsoft, which recently launched the Bing search service.</p>
<p>Being deeply integrated into big search services would give both companies an even huger footprint.</p>
<p>Microsoft did a small experiment this past summer by integrating Twitter data into search results, starting with tweets of bloggers like me.</p>
<p>And the company provides search services to the Silicon Valley-based Facebook, part of a major investment deal it made several years ago.</p>
<p>Both Microsoft and Google had separately contemplated buying Twitter and Facebook in deals that never materialized.</p>
<p>But, if they both strike data deals with Twitter and Facebook, they will get the next best thing&#8211;an ability to offer all that real-time information to the masses from its most innovative sources.</p>
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		<title>Update: Is Microsoft Poised to Integrate Twitter Into Bing?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to sources, Microsoft is close to striking a nonexclusive data-mining deal with Twitter to integrate the microblogging service's full feed into the results of its Bing search service.

News of the deal, which was still being worked on by engineers and execs at both the software giant and the start-up as late as yesterday, could even come as early as today at the Web 2.0 Summit conference in San Francisco.

But sources close to the situation caution that the deal could still run into a snag and was not yet complete, although it seems more likely than not that a deal will soon be struck with Microsoft first and then Google, which is the other company Twitter has also been talking to.]]></description>
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<p>According to sources, Microsoft is close to striking a nonexclusive data-mining deal with Twitter to integrate the microblogging service&#8217;s full feed into the results of its Bing search service.</p>
<p>News of the deal, which was still being worked on by engineers and execs at both the software giant and the start-up as late as yesterday, could even come as early as today at the Web 2.0 Summit conference in San Francisco.</p>
<p>Qi Lu, the head of Microsoft&#8217;s online services division, is <a href="http://www.web2summit.com/web2009/public/schedule/detail/9179">being interviewed at the event</a> at 11:30 am PDT.</p>
<p>Note: Lu is scheduled to appear onstage after Yahoo (YHOO) CEO Carol Bartz, who is now too sick to attend, the company said. She also missed Yahoo&#8217;s third-quarter conference call due to an unspecified illness.</p>
<p>Thus, Lu is the main event of Web 2.0 tomorrow morning and it would be a good place to make a big announcement, if the talks are successful.</p>
<p>But sources close to the situation caution that the deal could still run into a snag and was not yet complete, although it seems more likely than not that a deal will soon be struck with Microsoft (MSFT) first and then Google (GOOG), which is the other company Twitter has been negotiating with.</p>
<p>BoomTown had <a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/20091008/twitter-talking-separately-to-microsoft-and-also-google-about-big-data-mining-deals/">previously reported that Twitter was in advanced talks</a> with both the search rivals about just such a real-time search arrangement.</p>
<p>There could be other possibilities on the table, said sources, such as one of the big companies advertising on Twitter or any number of other Twitter partnerships with either one.</p>
<p>When asked about the talks onstage at Web 2.0 yesterday, Twitter CEO Evan Williams turned coy, according to numerous reports, joking &#8220;Whose deals?”</p>
<p>But, in fact, Twitter, which is based in San Francisco, is very much engaged in dealmaking in this regard. </p>
<p>Here is what I wrote previously, as to what and why:</p>
<blockquote class="memo"><p>Sources said a number of scenarios are being discussed to compensate Twitter for its huge and potentially valuable trove of real-time and content-sharing information, generated from the data stream of billions of tweets from its 54 million monthly users.</p>
<p>These include a number of structures, including a payment of several million dollars to Twitter, along with various revenue-sharing proposals that would give Twitter a piece of the revenue made from search results.</p>
<p>The deals, stressed sources close to the situation, are nonexclusive, especially because Twitter’s management is keen to remain independent and also nonpartisan in the growing search battle between Google and Microsoft.</p>
<p>This means Yahoo&#8211;which recently struck a search-technology and online-advertising partnership with Microsoft&#8211;could also license Twitter’s feed to make its search results even more robust, although Boomtown could not determine if the company is in talks with the San Francisco start-up.</p>
<p>Sources said it is also possible that no agreement would be reached with either company.</p>
<p>And execs at Twitter, Microsoft and Google had no comment when asked about talks.</p>
<p>But doing these kinds of data deals with big search players does make a lot of sense, since it would be hard for Twitter to turbocharge its own search engine without running into the big cash-laden guns at both Google and Microsoft, which recently launched its new Bing search service.</p>
<p>Twitter is, instead, seeking to create a large open platform, which many could plug into, from search engines to marketers to publishers to developers.</p>
<p>Twitter has also been considering offering premium services to these groups and is contemplating some form of advertising offering.</p>
<p>But, most of all, Silicon Valley’s hot start-up is focusing now on spurring growth and engagement, along with fine-tuning its product offering.</p>
<p>Being deeply integrated into big search services would give Twitter a huge footprint.</p>
<p>Microsoft had already done a small experiment this past summer integrating Twitter data into search results, starting with tweets of bloggers like me.</p>
<p>How much indexing of its data Twitter will allow is unclear, but the company has certainly bought itself time to think carefully about all its options, given that it now has a lot of money in the bank.</p>
<p>Late last month, Twitter raised another $100 million in new funding, after already having raised $55 million.</p>
<p>This has given it a $1 billion valuation, despite negligible revenue.</p>
<p>The valuation also effectively stated that the innovative company was pretty much putting itself out of play to be acquired and is very interested in forging its own destiny.</p>
<p>Both Google and Microsoft execs have contemplated the idea of buying Twitter in the past, although no serious talks ever moved forward.</p>
<p>If they both strike data deals with Twitter, they will get the next best thing&#8211;an ability to offer all the information disseminated on Twitter in search results.</p></blockquote>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Battelle, the founder, chairman and CEO of Federated Media Publishing, told his staff this morning that he will begin a search for a new top exec to take the company into its next stage of growth.

In a post on the FM Web site, Battelle said that he was not leaving the San Francisco-based company and wrote that the new exec--whose title could be CEO--would report to him.]]></description>
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<p>John Battelle (pictured here), the founder, chairman and CEO of Federated Media Publishing, told his staff this morning that he will begin a search for a new top exec to take the company into its next stage of growth.</p>
<p>Battelle, who is apparently not leaving the San Francisco-based company, wrote that the new exec&#8211;whose title could be CEO&#8211;would report to him.</p>
<p>In a <a href="http://blog.federatedmedia.net/">post on the FM site about the move</a> called &#8220;The Start of Something, Again,&#8221; he wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;It&#8217;s time to take it to the next level. FM is no longer a scrappy startup, and while its leadership team is deep and experienced, we’ve come to the conclusion that to take the company to the place we all know it can go, we need an additional leader on board. So today, I&#8217;m announcing that I&#8217;m officially launching a search for that position. It used to be you did this in private, but we live in the world of social media, and one of FM&#8217;s mores is transparency. I want to honor that value today.</p>
<p>So let me be clear: I am in no way leaving the business. This new leader&#8211;the title will depend on the person&#8211;will be responsible for running the business&#8211;taking all reports and managing to our plan&#8211;but he or she will be working very closely with me.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2009/05/fm_logo_interior.gif"><img src="http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2009/05/fm_logo_interior-150x86.gif" alt="fm_logo_interior" title="fm_logo_interior" width="150" height="86" class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-13587" /></a></p>
<p>FM, which sells online advertising for a large group of social-media sites and blogs, raised $50 million in funding a year ago from Oak Investment Partners, giving it a valuation of over $200 million. </p>
<p>The start-up had previously raised about $4.5 million from other investors, including the New York Times, the Omidyar Network and Panorama Capital.  </p>
<p>FM reportedly did $40 million in revenue last year and has been cash-flow positive for many years, although the recent economic downturn has impacted its bottom line.</p>
<p>Here is a video interview I did last night with Battelle and others at a dinner he and Tim O&#8217;Reilly threw in San Francisco for Silicon Valley movers and shakers, related to the upcoming Web 2.0 Summit that they organize.</p>
<p>He did not mention the exec search at FM, though&#8211;instead he talked about the next phase of Web 2.0, which he is now calling &#8220;Web Squared.&#8221;</p>
<p>No kidding.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the video&#8211;which also includes CBS (CBS) Interactive exec Zander Lurie suggesting a more buxom name for <strong>D: All Things Digital</strong>:</p>
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		<title>Mark Zuckerberg Talks Twitter With John Battelle (When He Was Talking to Twitter About Buying It)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kara Swisher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here's the video of Web 2.0 Summit host John Battelle interviewing Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg a few weeks ago, in which Battelle floated a rumor that the social-networking site might be interested in buying Twitter. 

If you want to see the exchange, it starts at 22:15 minutes, when Battelle asks: "Is Twitter just a feature of Facebook?" 

Awkwardness ensues from there until 23:07 minutes, with no direct question about an actual acquisition effort asked--getting Zuckerberg out of fibbing, since talks between the pair were then going on.]]></description>
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<p>Here&#8217;s the video of <a href="http://battellemedia.com/archives/004720.php">Web 2.0 Summit host John Battelle interviewing Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg</a> a few weeks ago, in which Battelle floated a rumor that the social-networking site might be interested in buying Twitter. </p>
<p>If you want to see the exchange, it starts at 22:15 minutes, when Battelle asks: &#8220;Is Twitter just a feature of Facebook?&#8221; </p>
<p>Awkwardness ensues from there until 23:07 minutes, with no direct question about an actual acquisition effort asked. </p>
<p>Thus, Zuckerberg does not have to fib in front of the Web 2.0 crowd about talks that were just then winding down between Twitter and Facebook, which offered $500 million in its stock to buy the popular microblogging site.</p>
<p>Actually, sources said, while Zuckerberg and Twitter Co-Founder and CEO Evan Williams did meet and get along well, the deal was primarily negotiated by Spark Capital partner Bijan Sabet (Spark is a Twitter investor) and Facebook deal guy Dan Rose.</p>
<p>But, in the end, as <a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/20081124/when-twitter-met-facebook-the-acquisition-deal-that-fail-whaled/">BoomTown reported earlier today</a> in a detailed report on the failed deal, Twitter rejected that bid.</p>
<p>As is usually the case, the deal broke down over price&#8211;was $500 million worth of Facebook stock actually worth $500 million?&#8211;and the typical concerns about integration and costs. Also, Twitter wanted an all-cash deal.</p>
<p>But, more important was a feeling among Twitter investors and execs that the start-up should still take a shot at building its revenues&#8211;there are none right now&#8211;as well as it had done at building its growth.</p>
<p>In fact, Twitter&#8217;s fast growth in the &#8220;status update&#8221; arena has been a frustration to Facebook, some sources said, although Zuckerberg goes out of his way to compliment Twitter in the video below:</p>
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		<title>When Twitter Met Facebook: The Acquisition Deal That Fail-Whaled</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kara Swisher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[About three weeks ago, Facebook and Twitter ended several weeks of serious talks, in which Facebook was offering to acquire Twitter for $500 million of its stock, which also included a cash component. While rumors of Facebook's interest were brought up in an interview with Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg at the Web 2.0 Summit a few weeks ago, some shot down the idea as silly. Quite incorrectly, as it turns out, since top execs at both Facebook and Twitter were right then at the tail end of discussions, which were initiated by the privately held Facebook in mid-October, about bringing the two together. Those talks, sources on both sides said, are now over. So why did the deal break down?]]></description>
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<p><em>[Updated with new details about deal, including who worked on it and info on a cash component.]</em></p>
<p>About three weeks ago, Facebook and Twitter ended several weeks of serious talks, in which Facebook was offering to acquire Twitter for $500 million of its stock, which also included a cash component. </p>
<p>While rumors of Facebook&#8217;s interest were brought up in an interview with Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg at the Web 2.0 Summit a few weeks ago, <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10084434-2.html">some shot down the idea as silly</a>. </p>
<p>Quite incorrectly, as it turns out, since top execs at both Facebook and Twitter were right then at the tail end of discussions, which were initiated by the privately held Facebook in mid-October, about bringing the two together. </p>
<p>Those talks, sources on both sides said, are now over.</p>
<p>So why did the deal break down?</p>
<p>Well, as is usually the case, over price&#8211;was $500 million worth of Facebook stock actually worth $500 million?&#8211;and the typical concerns about integration and costs.</p>
<p>But, more important, it seems, was a feeling among Twitter investors and execs that the start-up should still take a shot at building its revenues&#8211;there are none right now&#8211;as well as it had done at building its growth.</p>
<p><a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2008/11/twitterlogo.png"><img src="http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2008/11/twitterlogo.png" alt="" title="twitterlogo" width="210" height="49" class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-6902" /></a></p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s more about timing,&#8221; said one person familiar with Twitter&#8217;s motivations. &#8220;There is a strong feeling that there is still an opportunity&#8211;even with the economic downturn&#8211;to blow this thing out.&#8221;</p>
<p>Still, combining the world&#8217;s fastest-growing social-networking site with what is quickly becoming the best-known microblogging service is actually a natural fit.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s especially true given that Facebook&#8211;for all its powerful online social connections&#8211;has seen Twitter race past it in innovating in the &#8220;status update&#8221; arena.</p>
<p>While some sources at Facebook said Zuckerberg was becoming frustrated by the buzz Twitter was getting&#8211;a market that should have been dominated by Facebook&#8211;others at the company said he was interested in buying Twitter because of his respect for its progress.</p>
<p><a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2008/11/facebook-logo-1.jpg"><img src="http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2008/11/facebook-logo-1-300x112.jpg" alt="" title="facebook-logo-1" width="250" height="80" class="alignright size-medium wp-image-6916" /></a></p>
<p>Indeed, <a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/20081124/mark-zuckerberg-talks-twitter-with-john-battelle-when-he-was-talking-to-twitter-about-buying-it/">at the Web 2.0 interview</a>, Zuckerberg called Twitter an &#8220;elegant model&#8221; and said that he was &#8220;really impressed by what they&#8217;ve done.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed, with about six million registrations, as reported in October, up 600 percent over the last year, the San Francisco-based Twitter&#8211;launched in 2006&#8211;has had impressive growth.</p>
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<p>(It has also been plagued by technical issues, which are&#8211;to be fair&#8211;decreasing.)</p>
<p>In any case, for those not familiar with it, the premise of Twitter is dead simple: A registered user logs in via the Internet or a mobile phone and answers the &#8220;What are you doing?&#8221; question the service asks in only 140 characters or fewer.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite a clever idea, although&#8211;so far&#8211;not a money-making one. </p>
<p>To try to goose that, Twitter&#8217;s board replaced the engineer who created Twitter, Jack Dorsey, with another founder, Evan Williams, who had served as its chairman and chief product officer.</p>
<p><a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2008/11/250px-evan-williams.jpg"><img src="http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2008/11/250px-evan-williams.jpg" alt="" title="250px-evan-williams" width="250" height="188" class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-6904" /></a></p>
<p>The more experienced Williams (pictured here) had already built one company&#8211;Pyra Labs, which created the Blogger blogging service&#8211;that he sold to Google in 2003. He also started the audio and video search site Odeo, where Twitter was actually born.</p>
<p>Still, its investors have not come down on Twitter to hold back its growth efforts, and have handed over $20 million to the start-up so far. In its last round, Twitter was valued at $98 million.</p>
<p>Its funders include: Union Square Ventures, Charles River Ventures, Digital Garage, Spark Capital and Bezos Expeditions, backed by Amazon Founder and CEO Jeff Bezos. </p>
<p>In addition, well-known Silicon Valley figures, such as Marc Andreessen and Ron Conway, have also invested. Interestingly, <a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/20080506/andreessen-to-facebook-board/">Andreessen is also on Facebook&#8217;s board</a>.</p>
<p>Other private investors include FeedBurner Co-Founder (and now Googler) Dick Costolo, former Epinions Co-Founder Naval Ravikant and former Googler Chris Sacca.</p>
<p>Twitter needs all the investors it can get, since it has no revenue, although it has been exploring things like charging business customers and adding advertising into the consumer service.</p>
<p>Lack of revenues was an issue for Facebook, said sources, especially related to fees Twitter pays for delivery of its messages to cellphones. </p>
<p>While the issue has been manageable in the U.S., Twitter cut off its SMS support in some international markets this summer because of too-high costs.</p>
<p>But, if Twitter was offered to Facebook&#8217;s 120 million users, Facebook execs estimated that it might have to deal with huge SMS fees&#8211;up to $75 million annually.</p>
<p>&#8220;Facebook has its own revenue-generating challenges,&#8221; said one person close to the company. &#8220;As much as Twitter would give them a lift in the status area, it was still a worry.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not enough, said several sources, to stop Facebook from making another approach at some point in the future. &#8220;We&#8217;d hate to see Twitter go to another company,&#8221; said one source.</p>
<p>Indeed, while all are even more price-conscious than Facebook, large companies that could also be interested include: Google (GOOG), Yahoo (YHOO), Microsoft (MSFT) or a large telecom company, such as Verizon (VZ).</p>
<p>If it had completed the deal to buy Twitter, it would have been Facebook&#8217;s most significant acquisition by far.</p>
<p>Zuckerberg and Williams did meet and get along well, but the deal was primarily negotiated by Spark Capital partner Bijan Sabet (Spark is a Twitter investor) and Facebook deal guy Dan Rose.</p>
<p>But in this time, at least, the Twitter side was still not interested in selling at the price Facebook had offered.</p>
<p><a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2008/11/twitter-error-upside.jpg"><img src="http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2008/11/twitter-error-upside-300x264.jpg" alt="" title="twitter-error-upside" width="250" height="225" class="alignright size-medium wp-image-6914" /></a></p>
<p>The $500 million offered was in an all-stock form, said sources on both sides, at the $15 billion valuation that came from the Microsoft&#8217;s investment in the company last October. </p>
<p>The Twitter side felt that figure was inflated and the shares should be valued at the lower figures that have also been reported for Facebook&#8217;s true valuation, more in the $5 billion range.</p>
<p>That would have given the deal a $150 million price tag, which was seen as too low, especially since it was in Facebook stock and not cash initially.</p>
<p>In fact, Twitter wanted cash, which some sources say was offered by Facebook in the $50 to $100 million range, in addition to stock, but taking too much stock was still a major issue.</p>
<p>There are other ways the pair could have approximated a safer choice for Twitter, via warrants, of course, or other methods.</p>
<p>But, said several sources close to Twitter, the primary reason for not selling was because its board simply did not want to yet or perhaps ever. </p>
<p>Said one source: &#8220;The question is, is it really a good idea to sell on the first chance you get?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, for Twitter, we&#8217;ll just have to wait and see about that, of course.</p>
<p><em>[Photo of Evan Williams by Joi Ito. Licensed under Creative Commons 2.0 By-Attribution license.]</em></p>
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		<title>The Video I Forgot to Post From the Web 2.0 Summit Last Week</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kara Swisher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I blame post-election exhaustion for rendering me comatose after Tuesday, which is how this video I did at the Web 2.0 Summit in San Francisco last week got stuck in my to-do-later pile. 

Well, it has since been fished out, including interviews with conference organizers, John Battelle and Tim O'Reilly, as well as Demand Media's Richard Rosenblatt (who is apparently scared of me, which is just the way I like it) and Microsoft's man-in-Silicon-Valley Dan'l Lewin.]]></description>
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<p>I blame post-election exhaustion for rendering me comatose after Tuesday, which is how this video I did at the <a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/20081103/web-20-conference-this-week-lance-armstrong-al-gore-jerry-yang-mark-zuckerbergand-lionel-ritchie/">Web 2.0 Summit in San Francisco</a> last week got stuck in my to-do-later pile. </p>
<p>(I did manage to get the <a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/20081107/the-myspace-music-party-the-no-lionel-richiethey-still-wont-stop-believin-edition/">MySpace Music party video up</a> though, but that was because it was more fun!)</p>
<p>Well, it has since been fished out, including interviews with conference organizers John Battelle and Tim O&#8217;Reilly, as well as <a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/20080709/demand-medias-richard-rosenblatt-speaks-and-says-hes-not-for-sale-to-yahoo-for-now/">Demand Media&#8217;s Richard Rosenblatt</a> (who is apparently scared of me, which is just the way I like it) and Microsoft&#8217;s man-in-Silicon-Valley Dan&#8217;l Lewin.</p>
<p>The overall message of the Web 2.0 Summit: Batten down the hatches, except tech always rises to the surface like some kind of econalypse-fighting styrofoam.</p>
<p>Well, we will see about that particular miracle, but here is the video:</p>
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		<title>The MySpace Music Party: The No Lionel Richie/They Still Won't Stop Believin' Edition</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let's get this out of the way: BoomTown completely missed Lionel Richie perform, cooling our heels outside behind the rope line at the MySpace party in San Francisco last night.

Major bummer.

That aside, I did finally get in and did a video at the rocking event, which the SoCal-based social-networking site threw after the day's proceedings at the Web 2.0 Summit.

It was the scene of a lot of wild partying, with a lot of swinging and packed most of the night, even as the supposed gloom of the econalypse was settling over Silicon Valley.]]></description>
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<p>Let&#8217;s get this out of the way: BoomTown completely missed Lionel Richie perform, cooling our heels outside behind the rope line at the MySpace party in San Francisco last night.</p>
<p><em>Major bummer</em>.</p>
<p>That aside, I did finally get in and did a video at the rocking event, which the SoCal-based social-networking site&#8211;owned by News Corp. (NWS), which owns this site too&#8211;threw at the lovely Old Mint building, after the day&#8217;s proceedings at the Web 2.0 Summit.</p>
<p>It featured that exclusive performance by Richie, and also song-spinning by DJ AM.</p>
<p>But mostly, it was the scene of a lot of wild partying, with a lot of swinging, and packed most of the night, even as the supposed gloom of the econalypse was settling over Silicon Valley.</p>
<p>So here it is, including MySpace PR head Dani Dudeck, refusing to sing for me, as well as a madly-dancing-but-no-commenting Brandee Barker of Facebook.</p>
<p>(In my Richie-less addled state, I mentioned Neil Diamond&#8217;s &#8220;Hello, Again,&#8221; rather than Richie&#8217;s &#8220;Say You, Say Me&#8221; in the video. Sorry!)</p>
<p>Also, don&#8217;t miss the strains of Journey&#8217;s &#8220;Don&#8217;t Stop Believin&#8217;&#8221;&#8211;<a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/20081009/dear-web-20-you-might-want-to-stop-believin/">which has become the infamous song of the moment in the digital sector</a>.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the video:</p>
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		<title>Yang and Ballmer Play Ross and Rachel&#8211;And It Is Just as Annoying as the TV Show</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kara Swisher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is it just me or does it feel like the whole odd public back-and-forth between Yahoo CEO Jerry Yang and Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer is beginning to mimic the endless loop of the deeply annoying relationship between Ross Geller and Rachel Green on the long-running NBC television hit, "Friends"?

At least in their star-crossed hijinks, Ross and Rachel smooched from time to time in between the juvenile bickering and push-me-pull-you antics. 

But with Yang and Ballmer, it has been only juvenile bickering and push-me-pull-you antics 24/7, which is why BoomTown wishes they would just get a room.

A conference room to negotiate in, of course! (Get your minds out of the gutter!)]]></description>
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<p>Is it just me or does it feel like the whole odd public back- and-forth between Yahoo CEO Jerry Yang and Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer is beginning to mimic the endless loop of the deeply annoying relationship between Ross Geller and Rachel Green on the long-running NBC television hit, &#8220;Friends&#8221;?</p>
<p>At least in their star-crossed hijinks, Ross and Rachel smooched from time to time in between the juvenile bickering (&#8221;We were on a break!&#8221;) and push-me-pull-you antics. And, mercifully for fans of the show, they got together in the very last episode.</p>
<p>But with Yang and Ballmer, it has been only juvenile bickering and push-me-pull-you antics 24/7, which is why BoomTown wishes they would just get a room.</p>
<p><em>A conference room to negotiate in, of course!</em> (Get your minds out of the gutter!)</p>
<p>Instead, in the latest episode, it was Yang resorting to declaring in front of a ballroom full of Silicon Valley geeks at the Web 2.0 Summit on Wednesday: &#8220;To this day, I believe the best thing for Microsoft to do is to buy Yahoo.&#8221;</p>
<p>In a quick retort, from Australia of all places and on Yang&#8217;s 40th birthday, in fact, Ballmer bestowed this special gift back: </p>
<p>&#8220;Look, we made an offer, we made another offer. It was clear that Yahoo didn&#8217;t want to sell the business to us, and we moved on&#8230;We are not interested in going back and re-looking at an acquisition. I don&#8217;t know why they would be either, frankly.&#8221;</p>
<p>Shares of Yahoo (YHOO) have tanked almost 14 percent today after that, down $1.86 to $12.10.</p>
<p>Now, this kind of public display of nonaffection is not new for Ballmer, who <a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/20081017/the-verbatim-transcript-of-ballmer-on-yahoo-deal-separating-fiction-from-truth/">previously raised and then tanked Yahoo&#8217;s stock price only two weeks ago</a>, when he dangled the possibility that Microsoft might be interested in talking to Yahoo about a new search deal.</p>
<p>&#8220;There are probably still opportunities around search,&#8221; said Ballmer. &#8220;I think it would still make sense economically for their shareholders and ours.&#8221;</p>
<p>This cloddish phrasing by Ballmer was, no surprise, misconstrued by investors as full-scale interest in Yahoo, requiring a Microsoft (MSFT) spokesman to quickly enter the breach to clarify.</p>
<p>&#8220;Our position hasn&#8217;t changed. Microsoft has no interest in acquiring Yahoo; there are no discussions between the companies,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s astonishing that this is what passes for corporate behavior on both sides.</p>
<p>Aside from the silliness, because it still does make sense for the pair to be talking and forming some sort of strong relationship.</p>
<p>In my mind, the best idea was always the complex &#8220;Traffic Co.&#8221; deal that involved Microsoft buying a large piece of Yahoo, adding its lagging MSN assets in and taking over the entire search business of the entity.</p>
<p>As part of that configuration, the digital assets of a media giant like Time Warner (TWX) or News Corp. (NWS), which own AOL and MySpace respectively, could also be added in.</p>
<p>Thus, the &#8220;new&#8221; Yahoo would focus squarely on content and communications, which it would dominate across the Internet, keeping its display ad business. Meanwhile, Microsoft could then try to really turbocharge the search and search ad business and stop mucking around in arenas it had less talent in.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a lot better than what&#8217;s going on right now, which helps neither company, both of which are clearly bumping along with a desperate need for clarity. </p>
<p><a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2008/11/amelia_earhart_1937_gpn-2002-000211.jpg"><img src="http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2008/11/amelia_earhart_1937_gpn-2002-000211-300x237.jpg" alt="" title="amelia_earhart_1937_gpn-2002-000211" width="250" height="200" class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-6218" /></a></p>
<p>And, if they cannot come to some terms, Yahoo has to either move on and fix itself alone or complete its long-running merger talks with AOL or not (this pair is more like Sam and Diane on &#8220;Cheers&#8221;).</p>
<p>And Microsoft has to stop dithering and finally pick a digital head for its business (more on that next!), a search that is beginning to feel as if Amelia Earhart will be found sooner.</p>
<p>Or, like Ross and Rachel, Yang and Ballmer could just admit finally&#8211;despite all their differences over the last year&#8211;that they truly are meant for each other and get down to business.</p>
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		<title>Meet the Internet's Human Pinata: Jerry Yang</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kara Swisher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, this was certainly predictable--the mindless piling on of Yahoo CEO Jerry Yang now taking place in the blogosphere, in the wake of yet another setback for the troubled Internet company.

This time, it comes after the collapse of the search advertising deal with Google yesterday.

BoomTown is not saying the co-founder of Yahoo does not deserve criticism for how he has run the company since last summer.

Nonetheless, it is simply lazy to just call for Yang's ouster as the panacea for what ails the company. It's a feel-good suggestion, mixed with a creepy mob mentality, that offers no clear path to improvement.]]></description>
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<p>Well, this was certainly predictable&#8211;the mindless piling on of Yahoo CEO Jerry Yang now taking place in the blogosphere, in the wake of yet another setback for the troubled Internet company.</p>
<p>This time, it comes after the <a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/20081105/google-dumps-yahoo-which-should-come-as-a-shock-only-to-yahoo/">collapse of the search advertising deal with Google yesterday</a>.</p>
<p>BoomTown is not saying the co-founder of Yahoo does not deserve criticism for how he has run the company since last summer&#8211;in fact, this column has been quite active in following the story. </p>
<p>There are very real questions about whether Yang has the right talent and temperament for the job at hand, as much as he clearly loves the company he co-founded.</p>
<p>After all, the stock is in the basement, after Yahoo (YHOO) lost a lucrative bird in the hand in the form of a $31 per share offer from Microsoft (MSFT). </p>
<p>Next, a weak economic environment is forcing it to cut deeply into the muscle of its many businesses, with slashing out 20 percent or more of costs, a worrisome trend if Yahoo hopes to grow when we all eventually emerge from the downturn.</p>
<p>And, of course, <a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/20081103/yahoos-scott-moore-and-al-warms-to-depart-this-week/">more key executive departures</a>, weak employee morale and an overall inability to clearly articulate the changes Yang has been trying to make at the company, such as its laudable open platform efforts.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, it is simply lazy to just call for Yang&#8217;s ouster as the panacea for what ails the company. It&#8217;s a feel-good suggestion mixed with a creepy mob mentality that offers no clear path to improvement.</p>
<p>Still, as it is said, intelligence has it limitations, while stupidity is infinite.</p>
<p>Thus, immediately after Yahoogle went down came the <a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/20081105/yahoo-rumors-rumors-all-around-but-not-a-drop-correct/">specious rumors of Yang getting kicked out with a new Microsoft takeover bid in the works</a>. Way too many sites posted and reposted the &#8220;news,&#8221; with most not bothering to actually call Yahoo or sources who might know to ask if this might be happening.</p>
<p>As the old cliche goes&#8211;if wishes were horses, all beggars would ride&#8211;so too it is wishful thinking that Yang would be flushed out just like that. </p>
<p><a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2008/11/britney-crazy-8.jpg"><img src="http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2008/11/britney-crazy-8-300x268.jpg" alt="" title="britney-crazy-8" width="275" height="240" class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-6206" /></a></p>
<p>But, as with Britney Spears in her crazy days, people seem to believe <em>anything</em> they hear about Yang&#8217;s demise. Thus, the Google (GOOG) deal had to be the straw that finally broke the camel&#8217;s back and the board of Yahoo was tossing him overboard forthwith.</p>
<p>Then, inevitably comes the posts that Yang is sad, friendless and alone, a tragic figure of ridicule. Or, better still, borrowing from &#8220;Macbeth&#8221;&#8211;a poor player, that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more.</p>
<p>Except for one thing: While a lot of investors, media, analysts and other detractors (including some on Yahoo&#8217;s own board) might want to see him step down as CEO,  there has to actively be an actual effort on the part of the board to fire him (or, at least, kick him upstairs, back to his former Chief Yahoo job).</p>
<p>While some sources within the company say Carl Icahn and the two board members he brought with him&#8211;John Chappelle and Frank Biondi&#8211;to the Yahoo board have been reaching out of late to lower-level Yahoo execs to garner info about Yang and his management and also signaling Microsoft that there is renewed interest in reigniting talks, that means little unless the rest of the directors play along.</p>
<p>So far, many sources tell me, they are not.</p>
<p>If I were guessing, it would be Yang who would be the one to initiate any serious talks with Microsoft.</p>
<p>Bizarrely, he kind of did that publicly yesterday at the Web 2.0 Summit, when he said onstage: &#8220;To this day, I believe the best thing for Microsoft to do is to buy Yahoo.&#8221;</p>
<p>As not being CEO, I think it would also be Yang who will determine when and how that could happen, if at all. </p>
<p>In other words, critics can smack him all they want, but does not mean it will yield the prize they seek.</p>
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		<title>Lance Armstrong Talks About France, Cycling and Livestrong.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kara Swisher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[BoomTown managed to sneak into the green room at the Web 2.0 Summit last night to get a little chit-chat in with Lance Armstrong, the seven-time winner of the Tour de France cycling race title. Armstrong is now probably going for his eighth one, much to the chagrin of France (yes, the whole country, as Armstrong notes in one of the clips in the video below), part of his "comeback" from a three-year retirement. Here's a video of him talking to me about his health and fitness Web site, Livestrong.com, and some snippets from his onstage interview with Web 2.0's John Battelle.]]></description>
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<p>BoomTown managed to sneak into the green room at the Web 2.0 Summit last night to get a little chit-chat in with Lance Armstrong, the seven-time winner of the Tour de France cycling race title.</p>
<p>Armstrong is now probably going for his eighth one, much to the chagrin of France (yes, the <em>whole</em> country, as Armstrong notes in one of the clips in the video below), part of his &#8220;comeback&#8221; from a three-year retirement.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a video of him talking to me about his health and fitness Web site, <a href="http://www.livestrong.com">Livestrong.com</a>, and some snippets from his onstage interview with Web 2.0&#8217;s John Battelle, along with some crazy bidding for a bicycle he signed: </p>
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		<title>Mary Meeker's Entire Bummer PowerPoint on Her Internet Outlook</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 08:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kara Swisher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[BoomTown is no fan of PowerPoint, but this one by longtime Morgan Stanley analyst Mary Meeker at the Web 2.0 Summit in San Francisco yesterday is made worse by its depressing content.

Meeker, a veteran who was around for the last Web 1.0 meltdown, should know from grim. An inveterate numbers cruncher--I actually met her 15 years ago, while she was crunching a different set of numbers on AOL late into the night at her New York office--she pulls out a lot of tough ones here.]]></description>
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<p>BoomTown is no fan of PowerPoint, but this one by longtime Morgan Stanley Internet and technology analyst Mary Meeker at the <a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/20081103/web-20-conference-this-week-lance-armstrong-al-gore-jerry-yang-mark-zuckerbergand-lionel-ritchie/">Web 2.0 Summit in San Francisco</a> yesterday is made worse by its depressing content.</p>
<p>Meeker, a veteran who was around for the last Web 1.0 meltdown, should know from grim. An inveterate numbers cruncher&#8211;I actually met her 15 years ago, while she was crunching a different set of numbers on AOL late into the night at her New York office&#8211;she pulls out a lot of tough ones here.</p>
<p>Still, as usual, from the typically forward-looking Meeker, there is hope eventually.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s let her show you, via the presentation she made yesterday.</p>
<p>Here it is (click the screen icon in the right corner to make it larger):</p>
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		<title>Yahoo Rumors, Rumors All Around, But Not a Drop Correct</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kara Swisher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Inevitably, in the wake of the collapse of the controversial Yahoo-Google search advertising deal, there would come the next shoe to drop--that Microsoft was swooping in with a bid to buy the company and that Yahoo CEO Jerry Yang was on his way out on a rail.

Maybe that should happen, but according to my sources, a report in VentureBeat of this development is dead wrong.]]></description>
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<p>Inevitably, in the wake of the collapse of the controversial Yahoo-Google search advertising deal, there would come the next shoe to drop&#8211;that Microsoft (MSFT) was swooping in with a bid to buy the company and that Yahoo CEO Jerry Yang was on his way out on a rail.</p>
<p>Maybe that should happen, but according to my many sources, a <a href="http://venturebeat.com/2008/11/05/rumor-internal-yahoo-memo-suggests-ceo-jerry-yang-may-be-out/">report in VentureBeat of this development</a> is dead wrong.</p>
<p>And, said sources, Yang will keep his scheduled stage appearance at the <a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/20081103/web-20-conference-this-week-lance-armstrong-al-gore-jerry-yang-mark-zuckerbergand-lionel-ritchie/">Web 2.0 Summit today in San Francisco</a>.</p>
<p>The culprits of the bad information? Surprise, surprise, those wishing to make some money on the stock market on the swirl of uncertainty around Yahoo. These stock manipulators have tried to spin BoomTown many times, and they are appalling.</p>
<p>More later, but the Yahoo (YHOO) train-wreck story, with its <a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/20081105/google-dumps-yahoo-which-should-come-as-a-shock-only-to-yahoo/">latest Google (GOOG) crash</a>, is exciting enough without specious rumors.</p>
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		<title>Web 2.0 Conference This Week&#8211;Lance Armstrong, Al Gore, Jerry Yang, Mark Zuckerberg&#8230;and Lionel Richie?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On Wednesday, the annual Web 2.0 Summit kicks off in San Francisco.

The lineup is particularly good this year and it is also a perfect time to take the temperature of the Internet's movers and shakers, given all the hubbub of late with the weak economy. 

Speakers will include bicycle champ Lance Armstrong, Yahoo CEO Jerry Yang, former VP Al Gore, Google.org head Larry Brilliant, Paul Otellini of Intel and Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg, among others.

But, best of all for BoomTown, singer Lionel Richie will be performing at a MySpace Music party.]]></description>
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<p>On Wednesday, an always worthwhile Internet-focused conference, the annual <a href="http://en.oreilly.com/web2008/public/content/home">Web 2.0 Summit</a>, kicks off in San Francisco.</p>
<p>The lineup for the three-day event is particularly good this year and it is also a perfect time to take the temperature of the Internet&#8217;s movers and shakers, given all the hubbub of late with the weak economy. (BoomTown will thus be there with the trusty&#8211;and shaky&#8211;Flip video, chronicling it all for future generations.)</p>
<p>Speakers will include bicycle champ Lance Armstrong, Yahoo (YHOO) CEO Jerry Yang, former VP Al Gore, Google.org head Larry Brilliant, Paul Otellini of Intel (INTC) and Facebook&#8217;s Mark Zuckerberg, among others, chattering away on a wide range of topics. (You can <a href="http://en.oreilly.com/web2008/public/schedule/full">see the full schedule here</a>.)</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also, of course, a passel of parties, including one on Thursday night thrown by MySpace Music. And it will&#8211;<em>shades of Web 1.0!</em>&#8211;feature an exclusive performance by <a href="http://www.lionelrichie.com/">Lionel Richie</a> (and also DJ AM).</p>
<p>I am, I shall admit it and without irony, a closet fan of Richie. And why not, with so much infectious fluff to choose: &#8220;Hello,&#8221; &#8220;Say You, Say Me,&#8221; &#8220;Three Times a Lady.&#8221;</p>
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<p>Most importantly, I will be curious to see if there will be &#8220;Dancing on the Ceiling&#8221; among the beaten-down start-up crowd. (See that music video below and ponder exactly why you know you know <em>each and every</em> word to that funkadelic song.)</p>
<p>Hosted by Tim O&#8217;Reilly and John Battelle, the Web 2.0 Summit is called &#8220;Web Mets World&#8221; this year. By that, BoomTown is inferring that its organizers think it is time for the Internet to grow up. But why don&#8217;t we let them speak:</p>
<blockquote><p>The commercial web is now a teenager—it&#8217;s been fifteen short years since Marc Andreessen released the Mosaic browser. To put this in perspective, television as a commercial medium reached its fifteenth birthday in 1956—the year Elvis Presley made his first appearance on national TV&#8230;as we pondered the theme for this year, one clear signal has emerged: our conversation is no longer just about the Web. Now is the time to ask how the Web—its technologies, its values, and its culture—might be tapped to address the world&#8217;s most pressing limits. Or put another way—and in the true spirit of the Internet entrepreneur—its most pressing opportunities.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>And, of course, here&#8217;s Lionel:</p>
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		<title>The Children's Crusade Strikes Back at Not-a-Teenager (aka Really Old Lady) BoomTown</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The ankle-biters have spoken and it seems that I am completely wrong in my estimation in several recent posts where I wrote that Facebook widgets are&#8211;how shall we put it delicately?&#8211;exceedingly inane.
Why? Apparently because inane is the goal! Well then, I guess: Mission accomplished!

At an appearance at the Web 2.0 Summit yesterday, a group on [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ankle-biters have spoken and it seems that I am completely wrong in my estimation in several recent posts where I wrote that Facebook widgets are&#8211;how shall we put it delicately?&#8211;<a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/20071009/the-childrens-hour-facebook-apps-are-for-toddlers-there-we-said-it/">exceedingly inane</a>.</p>
<p>Why? Apparently because inane is the goal! Well then, I guess: Mission accomplished!</p>
<p><img src='http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2007/10/toys.jpg' alt='toybox' /></p>
<p>At an appearance at the <a href="http://www.web2summit.com/">Web 2.0 Summit</a> yesterday, a group on a panel called &#8220;Facebook as a Platform,&#8221; led by Dave McClure, talked about a lot of stuff.</p>
<p>But it seemed to get lively when the <a href="http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20071018/web-20-summit-panel-on-facebook-as-a-platform/">discussion turned to my comparison of the boom in third party apps on Facebook to the arrival in my home of a box of shiny plastic toys from China</a>.</p>
<p>I was at home with my own actual 2-year-old playing a rousing game of hit-mama-with-the-foam-finger- and-crack-up-hysterically, when the group&#8211;which included Seth Goldstein of SocialMedia, Ali Partovi of iLike, Keith Rabois of Slide and Lance Tokuda of RockYou&#8211;declared me humorless.</p>
<p>All because I did not realize that these apps were meant to be silly and more fun than a barrel of monkeys.</p>
<p>Actually, I did know that and, by the way, monkeys are much more fun. </p>
<p>Here was my initial argument:</p>
<blockquote><p>But, so far, as popular as those apps have become, what [Facebook founder Mark] Zuckerberg and the widget-makers have wrought is mostly silly, useless and time-wasting and the kazillion users of these widgets are pretty much just acting like little children.</p>
<p>&#8220;I never thought I would call the often frivolous AOL back in the day&#8211;very simply, a Neanderthal version of Facebook&#8211;a mature offering in comparison.</p>
<p>&#8220;While I will admit when I am not chewing nails that a lot of these apps are somewhat fun, I can&#8217;t help but ask myself that lyric from the old Peggy Lee classic: &#8216;Is that all there is?&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8220;And if that is all there is, can Facebook really build a viable and long-lasting business on what is essentially a bunch of games that will ultimately become wearying for users? Doesn&#8217;t it need more robust apps that actually are useful and relevant and make Facebook the service that Zuckerberg has often told me was a &#8216;utility&#8217;?</p>
<p>&#8220;While Facebook&#8211;with a cleaner and more strict look and a better navigation&#8211;is surely less goofy than rival MySpace for anyone over 12 years old, and its video, photo and email features are nice, the vast majority of its apps are still mostly as dumb as a box of hammers.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Kara&#8217;s argument is ridiculous,&#8221; said Slide&#8217;s Rabois, <a href="http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/10/facebooks-widge.html">according to a report on Wired.com</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Why do people watch movies and TV? Because they&#8217;re bored or looking for something to do to relieve stress in their lives. Apps are providing entertainment to users.&#8221;</p>
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<p>Really, Keith? I had no idea, despite the fact that &#8220;Gilligan&#8217;s Island&#8221; was my favorite show for way too many years!</p>
<p>Seriously, I know what he is saying and I agree on the need for some fun on this tragic little spinning globe of ours, except:</p>
<p>1. I would be fine with silly widgets, if there were more serious ones too, well beyond Vampires and SuperPokes and even an app called Pop Ur Zit. All of these have the longevity of a gnat, designed to be faddish and quickly forgotten. And, if you are going to be fun, one might try a little harder to come up with some offerings that are a little less disposable.</p>
<p>In fact, on a recent visit I made to RockYou HQ (post coming Monday), its savvy tech lead noted that there was surely a limit to how much crap people wanted to throw at each other.</p>
<p>2. Entertainment, especially the idiotic kind, will not get you to massive sustained usage that characterizes a true paradigm shift that McClure claimed was happening.</p>
<p>For example, was it all the games that made the personal computer become a ubiquitous device? No, it was serious programs like VisiCalc and Lotus 1-2-3.</p>
<p>So where are those kind of apps for systems like Facebook, I wonder, as I noted in <a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/20071010/the-childrens-hour-part-2-can-facebook-apps-grow-up/">another post about what to do</a> with a group of 2,500 techies I have gathered on the social-networking site. So far, we have a whole lot of nothing to offer them.</p>
<p>3. Another argument made on the panel was that the blogosphere used to be disdained as goofy only a few years ago and now it is a true media power.</p>
<p>Well, it was never disdained by me and, actually, there were a lot of substantive and important blogs even back then to balance out the fluffier ones. In fact, there were more.</p>
<p>4. As RockYou&#8217;s Tokuda said, referring to me: &#8220;I believe for her the apps are useless because she&#8217;s not a teenage girl.&#8221;</p>
<p><img src='http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2007/10/fp8818hannah-montana-posters.jpg' alt='hannah' /></p>
<p>This is not a news flash, although I probably am one of the older diehard fans of &#8220;Hannah Montana.&#8221; </p>
<p>But it is not necessarily true that advertisers will flock to these widgets, just because the kids love it. </p>
<p>Because as much as advertisers want to reach a younger demographic, they also do not want to do it in an environment of frivolous engagement and I doubt there is much appeal to them when people are busy slapping each other digitally or cartoonifying their friends. In addition, advertisers want to reach people who will buy things and few are in that mindset when they are anonymously telling someone else the &#8220;honest&#8221; truth or being a Human Pet. </p>
<p>I could go on, but will stop there, so the Lollipop Guild can respond in crayon. </p>
<p>But here&#8217;s one offer I will take RockYou&#8217;s Tokuda up on: A promise he made onstage to build something just for me.</p>
<p>Just some guidance, Lance: No poking, slapping, tickling or zit-picking.</p>
<p>Call me old-fashioned, because I know you will anyway.</p>
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